If you want to get a sense of the current state of evangelical Trumpism read the reactions to John Piper’s recent anti-Trump post

We covered the prominent evangelical pastor‘s piece here. For the sake of this post, I offer a few of Piper’s best lines:

Actually, this is a long-overdue article attempting to explain why I remain baffled that so many Christians consider the sins of unrepentant sexual immorality (porneia), unrepentant boastfulness (alazoneia), unrepentant vulgarity (aischrologia), unrepentant factiousness (dichostasiai), and the like, to be only toxic for our nation, while policies that endorse baby-killing, sex-switching, freedom-limiting, and socialistic overreach are viewed as deadly.

I think it is a drastic mistake to think that the deadly influences of a leader come only through his policies and not also through his person.

I find it bewildering that Christians can be so sure that greater damage will be done by bad judges, bad laws, and bad policies than is being done by the culture-infecting spread of the gangrene of sinful self-exaltation, and boasting, and strife-stirring (eristikos).

How do they know this? Seriously! Where do they get the sure knowledge that judges, laws, and policies are less destructive than boastful factiousness in high places?

Read Piper’s entire post here.

The Christian Post did a story on Piper’s post. The reaction in the comments section is overwhelmingly negative. (This should be expected. The Christian Post is now a pro-Trump rag).

Here is some of the reaction to what Piper wrote about the president:

–You have a “heart” issue if you can support candidates who support abortion on demand, right up to the time of delivery.

–I’m sorry but you have a Christian credibility problem when you tell people to vote for a guy who fondles little girls We were warned about you.

–John Piper is a confused person. On one hand he talks about Christ forgiveness then he forgets that this president is the first in this generation who starts the White House everyday with prayer. I do not like the character of DJT but neither do I like the character of the self righteous pharisee John Piper. Remember when Joshua met the Commander of the Lord’s army before Jericho and he asked the Commander, whose side are you on, theirs or ours? The answer he got was neither, the Commander of the Lord’s army, whom many believe is Jesus pre-incarnate said, I am on the side of the Lord. John, the question you need to answer is are you on the side of the Lord Your God, Yeshua the Messiah or are you on the other side?

–We are in a time of great deception. We are in the shadow of the first horse of the apocalypse. What is that? The rider has a bow with no arrows (deception), yet he has a type of crown (corona) which the rider is allowed to exercise throughout the world.

–( Border lockdowns etc = nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom). This is the shadow of the antichrist who will come to power through the dark forces of the globalist elite and the global reset. The left, aka democrats, deep state have already ‘bowed’ to this dark force with their LGBT scarves. That happens to be the Biden cohort and not the Trump cohort! Trump is being used by God to fulfill prophecy, to bring in the biblical end times, like making Jerusalem the capital of Israel, like starting the Daniel covenant that will be made greater or confirmed by the antichrist. He is the only man that can deal with the lunacy of the left. That does not make him a role model for Christians! He is a hero like character, but that is all. That does not mean Christians look to him but rather he is a tool of God’s. Like King Jehu he will stem the flow of Christian persecution that you would have seen with Clinton and will try to maintain sanity against almost impossible odds. Overall, Trump is the lesser of the two evils. He is also just a man, a sinner like the rest of us. He also has the right to receive forgiveness if he repents. To deny that this man is being used to bring about end time biblical prophecy would be foolish. It is staring us in the face. That said we put our faith in the blessed hope, Jesus who comes at the trumpet of 1 Corinthians15:51 which is the same as the Trumpet call of God of 1 Thess 4:16 and not the last Trumpet of Rev 11:15 which is the trumpet call of the seventh angel.

–So I am not going to argue the fact that Trump has sinful behavior. But look at the Christians he has surrounded himself with in his cabinet and vice president. Than look at the policies protecting Christians and free speech.

The other person who for some reason (satan) people think is an angel, the 47 year politician who lied 23 times last night and who has a communist for a vice president candidate is somehow going to save America. Black lives matter is a Marxist organization that wants democracy and the church gone. Go read it on their website. They are an arm of the Democratic Party along with LGBTQ community that wants to tell our school children at the age of 10 that transgender behavior is normal. Another arm of the Democratic Party. Let’s keep going, the biggest arm is the corrupt lying news media, what a bastion of leadership they bring to the Christian community. Then let’s go to the courts, who want to place liberal, progressive, communist judges in the court Trump or Biden. No one on these pages is even thinking what happens if Joe Biden passes away in 24 months. A communist is now the president. I am tired of pastors who think for some reason that any democrat not just Biden has the Bible and the church at its best interest. Prove that they do. Nothing they have done in the past 20 yrs. supports that. Mysteriously the riots have stopped because the Democratic Party who pays people to riot ordered it to stop. Don’t believe me ask the police chiefs in these towns. Every man has sin, there is more to that in an election. Its policies and a party’s intent are the direction for this country. If you watched 10 minutes of any one of these debates its socialism vs democracy period. I suggest you find a friend from Cuba to talk to.

–Mr. Piper has slipped into the sad abyss of now being, “too heavenly minded to be any earthly good”. Money and fame will do it every time. He would certainly have cast a vote against David being king of Israel.

–Mr. Wilson, you nailed it! Mr. Piper is what’s now commonly called a ‘woke’ Christian…….. sad!

–He must not know the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in the form of intersectionality, LGBTQ activists, radical Muslims, communists, cultural marxists, and feminists. What do we have left if we do not have freedom to preach the gospel.

–I’ve never had much use for Piper or his teaching. He is conciliatory to a fault, granting a degree of validity to the enemies of God on more than one occasion. When pressed, he gives ambiguous answers, Joel Osteen-style. (See his treatment on the subject of homosexuality.). There is no authoritative proclamation in his manner in most of his teachings. He is salt which has lost its flavor, and is only good for stomping on.

–Piper’s the kind of guy who would refuse to fight the Nazis because his fellow soldiers drank alcohol. I used to admire Piper. Now I see that he is a pompous fool. Go back to your inner sanctimonious sanctum, John. We’ll fight the war for you.

–No, Piper is manipulatively suggesting we should not vote for POTUS Trump because of a self-righteously-imposed judgment Piper has made toward the POTUS. I clearly discern POTUS as an imperfect man but also one who loves the Almighty God-ordained-USA and wants what is best for those of us fortunate enough to live here. I HIGHLY doubt Mr. Piper could “face the giants”! It enrages me that those who have a pulpit abuse it to cause more strife. Sit home if that’s what you want to do, or vote for your cat, but if you are going to presume judgement on anyone in our highest secular office, you better do a lot more homework, such as the corruption under your nose for decades. Furthermore, if you do not consider abortion, especially as it is currently being promoted/human trafficking worthy deal-breakers, you are not a Christian.

–I”m not voting for a pastor. I”m voting for the best president in my lifetime (73 years). President Trump is a born-again, Spirit-filled believer. Who among us didn’t have many rough edges that needed smoothing out when we were new believers? I’m always amazed by the level of deception and spirit of religion that is so prevalent in the comments on this site. It seems so many commenters have planks in their eyes. It’s actually quite sad.

–John Piper has lost all credibility with such an announcement. He reminds me of the false prophets and priests who came against Jerimiah when he warned Israel of the impending threat from Babylon, Israel would face if she didn’t turn back to God. The priests and false prophets were living comfortability and viewed Jerimiah as a threat to their way of life. Before 2016 such was the way of life for a lot of liberal theologians, both protestant, catholic and evangelical. Mr. Piper’s words are equal to the move of Pope Francis of negotiating a deal with the communists in China to have a state run church while, the true church under ground faces persecution! His predecessors, Popes John Paul 2 and Benedict 16 would never of promoted a church run by communists, that is “liberation theology” and that is heresy! However, since liberation theology was birthed in Marxist South America where Pope Francis was a bishop in Argentina and since we also have seen and influx of Masonry into the South American Roman Catholic church as well as the Roman Curia, we can see blatantly see why he is Pope and who is influencing his morality, especially with the approval of gay marriages between Catholics. Also it should be known that a large number of Baptist pastors are apart of the Masonic movement as well. That is a known fact passed on to me by a former Baptist minister. The Masonic movement has since the earliest days of the movement declared a secret war on the Christian church at it’s highest levels and has even published a book on how it plans to influence the Papacy and the destruction of the Roman Catholic church in the 1900’s. So when I see Baptist and Catholic leadership either silent or attacking the only pro-life President ever, I’m not surprised about the payoff!

–Not buying any more of your books Mr. Piper. (I take that back, I checked, I don’t have any of your books, just books that quote you.)

If there’s anything I detest, it’s pastors and lay Christians who don’t like Trump because he’s brash, rude and doesn’t act like a namby-pamby. Those traits are why he was elected in the first place. We’re tired of politicians who bend over backwards trying to be liked by the Democrats who hate America and Americans. Enough is enough.

I am glad that people in these comments have seen the error in Piper’s preaching on this issue. They have expressed it well. I pray that those who follow him will choose not to follow this advice. His words are causing more division than unity among the church. If he feels compelled not to vote he should keep that to himself, not encourage the church to do the same. What he is preaching has crossed over to legalism. He seems to believe that he has taken the high road in holiness to not vote for either of the choices we have before us.

Piper, along with every other preacher, that does not unequivocally speak out against the evil in the Democratic Party is not listening to the Holy Spirit. The contrasts are sharp and unmistakable. Your status as a well-known preacher means squat to me when you’re not hearing the still small voice.

Any one who is not voting for “Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”, a God given right, is not of God or Jesus Christ but is for death, deception, and destruction from satan. Thou shalt not KILL. So anyone who is not voting for life is voting for satan.

Mr Piper sounds like an unsaved person. I never thought much him and his false teachings.

Interesting. Having spent 67 years on this planet as a believer and follower of Jesus Christ. I am amazed at how demented some of today’s “Pastors” have become. They have come to believe they are our masters rather than our teachers. Kind of a reflection of the Pharisees of old. I am sure Rev Piper believes he is a clarion unto the church, but he sounds more like Charlie one-note than a conductor of a symphony. Perhaps someone close to him should inform him it is time he passes the baton.

This comment sections looks my e-mail inbox x10. I heard this stuff a lot during the Believe Me book tour.