33 thoughts on “Someone Failed These Boys

  1. I’d never actually stopped to consider what “Make America Great Again” would mean to a Native American. And the context of that being the motto of the peoples responsible for decimating their “America”.

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  2. What is so discouraging to me as an observer trying to gain an understanding of precisely what happened here is that this event, like so many in our culture today, is simply proving to be a Rorschach test where what so many people are seeing is driven largely by their particular perspective and biases. It shows how hopelessly divided we are when we look at the same thing but “see” two different things. I am not a relativist, and I try as much as possible to not be a “both-sides-ist.” I believe there is an objective truth, and it is so frustrating that our inability (unwillingness?) to see beyond our deeply-rooted world views makes it impossible to reach that objective truth. I don’t see how we ever move on past this.

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    • Dave H.,
      Your remarks are thoughtful and heartfelt. I personally think there is a lot of truth in what you say.

      With that being said, let’s look at the main “fanner of the flames” in this sad incident. The establishment media took it as an opportunity to “get Trump” by spreading an inaccurate narrative. The boys, Nathan Phillips, and the Black Hebrew Israelites are incidental to them. To put it another way, the other parties are simply stage props. Trump is the target.
      James

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      • Well, I am not going to form my opinion based on what particular media did or didn’t say. That is how we get into the media echo chamber feedback loop where people believe things solely on the basis of whether they do or don’t like the media messenger, and intentionally construct their media intake so as to be exposed to only those media sources that say exactly what they want to hear (because, after all, that is how we know they are right, right?). No, I try to form my opinion as much as possible by looking at whatever direct evidence is available to me. As in the way I have formed my opinion of Donald Trump over time: by listening to what he actually says, and watching what he actually does. That has been more than sufficient for me to form my view, regardless of what any particular media source says or does not say.

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  3. It is always interesting to watch conservatives make up any excuse they can to excuse racism, bigotry, and hatred. Then they wonder why people are racist, bigoted, and hateful.

    Conservatives are giving Trump support for his racism, bigotry, and hate.

    You want to know why Christian education gets attacked? It is due to the product it turns out. These boys are the reason why Christian education is a mockery of Christian teachings. When Christian schools start teaching Christian values, they will be worth supporting. If their product is MAGA hat wearing racists like these boys, then they’re not Christian schools.

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    • Jimmy Dick,
      I think it is presumptuous to introduce race into this story without knowing these boys personally. How do you know that these boys would not have reacted in the very same way had the drum-beater been a Nordic Viking with a longboat tattooed on his forehead? It seems to be the liberal practice of reflexively bringing race into any narrative in order to score points. The proverbial race card is always in the “ready position.” For all you know some of these boys might have American Indian ancestry.
      James

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  4. Seems like there may be more to this story than the original hysteria. Apparently there appears to be a much longer video with someone (the drummer?) telling the white folks to go back to where they came from. This event may actually be an example of “fake news”, at least as its been presented so far. Sad. And what is a “black Hebrew Israelite”?
    This should be interesting to watch.

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    • Ed,
      You are correct. This morning stories are appearing which tell a fuller story. This whole sad incident is being exposed as fake news in one degree or another.
      James

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      • The full story is now coming out — people (interested in the truth and not a narrative) have actually taken the time to watch full, extended videos of this incident — and the media’s dishonest presentation of this is falling apart. To wit:

        1) Phillips intentionally approached these boys. He initiated this confrontation, not the other way around. He was not “surrounded by a mob.” He knew exactly what he was doing.
        2) Phillips is an activist who has done this sort of thing in the past, and then claimed victim status.
        3) We see on one of the videos that an Indian with Phillips tells the boys they are white people who should go back to Europe, and drops multiple f-bombs. Neither the NYT nor the WaPo nor any other mainstream media outlet deemed these facts worthy of being reported. Because: harshes the confirmation bias.
        4) Members of the far left radical group Black Hebrews start ranting at the boys about whites and sodomy, calls them “faggots” and claims Trump is a homosexual. Again: this has basically been whitewashed as unhelpful to the cause.

        Given the totality of these circumstances — NONE of which have been reported by our disgraceful press — this looks far less like a group of bullying, racist, Trump-supporting yoots attacking a poor, marginalized person (as the media would have it), and far more like a left wing provocateur and fellow travelers initiating a confrontation, some hurling profane insults, knowing that the credulous media would portray them as victims. They ain’t no dummies.

        Wrongs by one side do not give license to these boys to be disrespectful, but any reasonable person who watches all the video evidence — not just the snippets the media doled out to advance its anti-Trump narrative — would have to conclude that the students (who are now being held up and demonized as the worst sort of villains), while reacting in an immature way, have been the victims of shoddy, agenda-driven reporting, resulting in a backlash absurdly disproportionate to their alleged misdeeds. What else is new?

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  5. ” I am sure he could get a permit for a march advancing his cause.”
    He was attending the Indigenous People’s March. This was at the Lincoln Memorial where it ended.

    “failed go see overt hate or disrespect toward Mr. Phillips.”
    The mocking of his chanting, the tomahawk chops, the surrounding of the group, the laughing, the students making faces – rolling their eyes and waving their hands in the air as if they were insane? Yelling and screaming MAGA chants to drown him out?

    This is all unacceptable whether it’s directed at indigenous people or pro-life demonstrators.

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    • Long run,
      I was not aware of the formal indigenous march which you mentioned. As far as the mocking you mentioned, I could not hear anything on the video clip other than the drumbeat. I will take your word for what you heard.
      James

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  6. John…if I hear any more about being pro-life I am going to vomit. There is a huge difference between being anti-abortion and being pro-life. You can be anti-abortion and not be pro-life. A single issue person is basically a fundamentalist. But if you are going to be pro-life it includes the following.

    1. Help those with health care.
    2. Take care of the aged and elderly.
    3. Help the refugees like we did from Laos, Cambodia and Korea.
    4. Help with the environment so that life will flourish. Are you pro-life if you support programs that can allow for chemicals to go into drinking water and create cancer?
    5. Be opposed to sexual assault in all forms. Support of Donald Trump and Brett Kavanugh show that many Trump supporters are not pro-life.
    6. Support combat veterans on who have psychological issues from war that need mental health counseling.
    7. To support education so people can empower themselves and grow in knowledge. Why do totalitarians try and eradicate or cut back education. In order for fascism to grow you need to redefine truth and that comes from rolling back education.
    8. In being against abortion help a mother long term until the child is 18.
    9. Help people will terminal illness so that the euthanasia and right to die movement can be eradicated.

    I could go on but Trump supporters are not pro-life.

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    • Dear Wondering Eagle,
      Language is essentially a symbol for a greater reality. People in any society have unwritten agreements on the meaning of words and phrases. While this linguistic system is not airtight and does not produce foolproof communication, it does allow society to function. Your definition of the term “pro-life” is far broader than American language currently sllows without causing confusion. It is entirely your right to attempt to redefine an expression, but I think you would be able to advance your goals more efficiently if you could coin a term which more clearly expresses your very broad views on humanitarianism.
      James

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  7. “Yes, Trump is partly to blame.”

    Just so I understand your conception of moral agency, was Bernie Sanders (and his supporters) responsible for avowed Bernie Bro James Hodgkinson shooting Steve Scalise while attempting to murder dozens of R Congressmen?

    Was the SPLC (and its supporters) responsible for terrorist Floyd Lee Corkins trying to murder people at the Family Research Council because — as he explicitly described his motivation — it had labeled the FRC a “hate group” for its opposition to homosexual marriage?

    Is Maxine Waters and every Leftist pol or media member who has urged people to “get in the face” of R politicians and Trump voters (of which I am not one), including confronting them at their homes, to blame for the numerous incidents of harassment and thuggery as angry progressives have done just that?

    If your argument is that Donald Trump has validated this type of behavior, I can’t recall Trump disparaging Native American veterans (unless the the theory is he hates all minorities). Moreover, I would respectfully suggest your indictment is highly selective.

    Blaming the despicable conduct of individuals on politicians — AND their supporters — we don’t like is unjustified. Can one blame Hillarly Clinton and her supporters for, say, anyone who believes it is ok to be grossly negligent in handling classified national security information? Or running corrupt, pay for play charitable organizations? Barack Obama has remained close friends with unrepentant (“guilty as sin, free as a bird”) domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Should his failure to ever denounce Ayers render Obama partly responsible for those who choose to mimic Ayers’s Weather Underground tactics? Keith Ellison — very recently second in command at the DNC — is a Hamas apologist, and was a longtime member of the Nation of Islam until that affiliation became a hindrance to his political career. Does the willingness of the D party — and its voters — to continually place him in positions of power, make it and them partly to blame for anti-Semitic views?

    Trump — a very flawed man — nevertheless is not the corporeal Unified Field Theory which explains all bad things. And blaming Trump’s supporters, en masse, for the ugly behavior of some kids, is, frankly, unworthy of you.

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    • Well Trump did attack John McCain and call him a “loser” for being captured. Really no one stood up or against it. To attack a man and harangue him even as he is dying of a brain tumor. Is that pro-life?

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      • Wondering Eagle,
        That particular attack of Trump upon the late Senator McCain was made before the terminal diagnosis tied to the brain cancer. Furthermore, it was in response to an initial negative quip made by the senator against Trump while the G.O.P. primarily season was still young.
        Can we be honest about the late Senator McCain? He was at times a great political deal-maker and reconciler but at other times rather arrogantly self-righteous in his dealings. Please don’t get me wrong; I voted for him in 2008, but I don’t think he would have accomplished half as much as Trump already has. Furthermore, he would have been more inclined to let the DEMs and their media buddies roll him. To be cure, Trump is “rough around the edges”, but that seems now to be the best way to combat the DEM-Establishment Media alliance. Ronald Reagan accomplished this by charm and skillful oratory, but unfortunately there are no Reagans on the scene these days.
        James

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        • I agree that McCain would likely not accomplish as much as Trump. Part of the reason is that a lot of what Trump is ignorance driven with a healthy dash of meanness. He has, with the help of supporters and enablers dumbed down the presidency.
          He has alienated friendly nations and encouraged our adversaries, especially Putin. Pretty sure McCain couldn’t have pulled that off.

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          • Of course, there is no way of knowing with certainty, Jeff, but I doubt that the economy would have been doing as well under a McCain presidency. Additionally, the entire trade imbalance with China would have likely gone unaddressed. The Europeans would have continued to snooker us on their NATO bills, and the Canadians and Mexicans would have sat quietly smiling as the NAFTA situation worsened for us. As far as pleasing Putin, I think you are pointing in the wrong direction. Trump publically rebuked Angie Markel for her natural gas deal with Vlad Putin. Trump is astute enough to recognize that Russia has little to offer on the world market save natural resources or weapons. McCain would have likely ignored Angie’s gas deal with Vlad. While I am on foreign policy, I doubt that McCain would have initially made the abysmal Iran deal but he probably would have let it stand If he had followed Obama in office.
            The main bright spot in a McCain presidency would have been his judicial picks, but it would have been difficult for him to top Trump’s choices.

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    • If I am more critical of Trump than I am of Hillary it is because I am more critical of leaders of the Church and my church. I suspect John may feel similarly.

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      • Alex,
        Can you please clarify your statement? I am not quite sure what your churc has to do with the Nathan Phillips story.
        James

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        • James, it’s in context of Tony’s comment about being more critical of Trump than other political leaders. It’s because Trump is a religious leader.

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          • Alex,
            Yes, but how does your church relate to that? You stated that you were critical of church leaders. Did your church leaders comment on Nathan Phillips, the Black Israelites, or the Covington boys?
            Thanks in advance for helping me tounderstand the ecclesiastical connection you introduced.
            James

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  8. John,
    I watched the video and failed go see overt hate or disrespect toward Mr. Phillips. Maybe the audio wasn’t clear enough or there was too much background noise. One boy did stare at the drummer, but the drummer seemed to be invading the boys’ space. Maybe he wasn’t attempting to intimidate the boys with his drum, but the older man’s behavior appeared to be an “in your face” action. If he was interested in advancing the cause of his tribe or of all indigenous people, why did he attend an event with an entirely different focus? I am sure he could get a permit for a march advancing his cause. There are a number of unanswered questions about this encounter.
    The boys probably should have simply ignored Mr. Phillips. We all make mistakes when emotions are running high.
    As far as the red MAGA hats, I’d sooner see them than the vulgar pink hats which were worn by marchers in the Women’s March.
    James

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      • James,
        WOW

        The older looking than his age, (64), man surrounded by young, loud men certainly WAS intimidating. I am surprised they didn’t all run for cover.
        He is a war veteran. An older man. They are boys in my opinion. Maybe some would say young men. Remember when that meant something in our culture?
        If one of my five sons was on national media like that I would be ashamed. I mean incredibly ashamed.
        Those young men, especially the one who stepped up to the old man who was intentionally avoiding eye contact, and stood there in his face staring at him with that smirk, are a poor excuse for young Americans.
        It’s just great that any Americans will or could begin to blind themselves to the truth about that encounter.
        What a mess we are becoming.

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        • Jeff,
          I still think there are unanswered questions about this encounter, and I am not sure we can trust the major media to fill in the blanks. Why was Mr. Phillips directly in the midst of a protest group with an entirely different goal than his indigenous group? Did he intentionally wade into their ranks or did they intentionally surround him in order to silence him?
          As I stated in my initial posting, Mr. Phillips appeared to exhibit an “in your face” posture toward the boys as he monotonously beat his drum. Did the boys try to ignore him earlier only to be pursued by the older man? I don’t know. We can all agree that there was more which occurred before the brief film clip which is being featured. Was there an earlier provocation? I would like to have more facts.
          As far as Mr. Phillips being a veteran, I salute his service. I also am a veteran yet my status does not give me license to disrupt a march with which I am not officially connected.
          James

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    • So if you are not going to respect John McCain a white, Vietnam veteran who suffered in captivity in Hanoi then that means that anyone else is fair game to hate, mock, bully, etc… Honestly the courage of Nathan Phillips amazes me. He was not a child of privilege many Indians have been treated poorly by the government for years. Yet when he was asked he served. Trump on the other hand claimed a medical exemption and then claimed his Vietnam was not getting a STD. My Phillps is the hero we should praise and welcome. He did more for the flag that Donald Trump.

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      • Wondering Eagle,
        We might be able to rightfully term Mr. Phillips a veteran. I am grateful he stepped forward and took the oath; however, being a veteran does not equate to being a “hero.” That word is grossly overused today. Only a small percentage of veterans are heroes in the strict sense of the word. I say that as someone who is a veteran who is not a hero. I served my time with honor but not heroics. This is no different than most veterans. Didn’t the late General Norman Schwarzkopf write an autobiography entitled, It Doesn’t Take a Hero?
        James

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    • James, I think you are looking at this situation with your Trumpian MAGA blinders. Take off those blinders and you will see that reality often consists of liberal truths. I know that is hard for you to comprehend, but reality is the world that we live in so we must learn to deal with it. Here are some facts:

      Nathan Phillips is an Omaha elder and Vietnam veteran who holds an annual ceremony honoring Native American veterans at Arlington National Cemetery.
      The kids are from the Covington Catholic High School for boys. And, as with most Catholic high schools it caters to the elites – people who can afford to send their sons to an expensive private high school.
      The Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington has apologized to Phillips. Why would they apologize if the Catholic boys did no wrong?
      The Covington Catholic High School has apologized to Phillips and said it will take “appropriate action, up to and including expulsion.” Why would the school apologize if the Catholic boys did not wrong?

      I could go on, but Mr. Fea and others have already expressed many of my feelings.

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      • Sheridan,
        I know nothing about the Roman Catholic school in Covington, but am inclined to look favorably upon any high schoolers who came to Washington in support of the voiceless unborn. This exhibits, in my opinion, a set of moral values. If any of the students reacted to a provocation inappropriately, they need to take stock of their self-control skills. Temperance is also a Christian virtue. As you can read in an earlier note or two, I don’t think we have all of the facts concerning what occurred prior to the brief video clip. We really don’t know how much blame to assign to the various parties. I trust you believe in fairness when evaluating all of the facts.
        As far as the apologies of the diocese and the school, I obviously don’t know all of their motives. It is, however, entirely possible that they offered quick pro forms apologies in order to “get out in front” of this matter on the public relations front. After all, anti-Trump forces are already using this video to implicitly slam The Donald and the Pro-life movement. The school and the diocese are arguably astute enough to realize that they are going to be pulled into the national battle. To be honest with you, Sheridan, I personally believe that many of the folks showing indignation in support of Mr. Phillips are less concerned with his well-being than they are with finding an indirect route to attack Trump. I can’t prove that but it would be reasonable in view of the way the left has politicized just about everything.
        James

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