80% of White Evangelicals in Alabama (who voted) Voted For Roy Moore Last Night

Doug Jones

Exit poll data

In my view, the “values voters” in this election were non-evangelicals and African-American evangelicals.  The embarrassment for white evangelicals continues.

A few tweets from last night:



10 thoughts on “80% of White Evangelicals in Alabama (who voted) Voted For Roy Moore Last Night

  1. Email servers could have an effect on people’s lives? What?

    And you’re equating that as a “sin” (no doubt you can cite a verse for the sin of using an unsecure email server) equal to sexually assaulting multiple woman as Trump said he did on tape? Sin?

    Sadly, I don’t think being illogical has anything to do with age.

    That said, I do take heart from the fact that the vast majority of young people are shedding the prejudice of older generations, and yes, part of that involves rejecting fundamentalist religion.


  2. Apparently you found the weapons of mass destruction that Iraq was alleged to have because no one else found them. The UN inspectors couldn’t find them and neither could the entire US military or US intelligence community. Hate to burst your bubble, but the 2003 Iraq War was definitely not a just war.


  3. Paul Fiorilla,
    You are also right about Hilary Clinton’s email scandal not being immoral, but I’m pretty sure you didn’t read what I wrote. I specifically said “she had obviously tainted morality, which can be seen in her lies under oath on multiple occasions. ” The morality problem is not in her emails, but in her lying on oath and her email activity that went against the oath she took with her hand on the Bible when she was sworn into the position.

    If we’re on the topic of using Jesus’ words as an argument here, as you have done, let’s point this out. Didn’t Jesus say that all sin was equal in God’s eyes? Should we not judge it the same? Also, Hillary’s email scandal could have direct effects on the government and the lives of the people of America. A sex scandal has little to no effect on the actual rights of citizens.

    I’m glad you decided to pick a favorite verse from the Bible because now you’ve given me the opportunity to fight back against that. You cannot just pick and choose which verses you want to use because they strengthen your opinion on matters of absolute truth. Moore may be an immoral person, but again—I feel like I’m repeating myself—he is a Christian whom evangelicals believe can fight for them to make America more of a Christian nation.

    “evangelicals think what is good is being able to check certain boxes of belief and raw power.”

    ^^ I have no idea where you got this from. This is another misread of a situation. You are simply seeing the opinion that you want to see and stating it as if it were a fact.

    I can’t say anything about your personal experiences in your church or your college, but you also can’t prove that as any kind of argument, so we’ll ignore that for now.

    The first article I found on google scholar when searching what you told me to was the abstract of an article called “RELIGION AND TORTURE: A VIEW FROM THE POLLS.” It said: “In response to the national security policies of the Bush administration, many religious leaders in the United States have spoken out against the use of torture as a tactic in fighting terrorism.” In the first sentence. (Given this is a 2010 article)

    In order to do proper history, as Fea writes in his book, “Was America Founded as a Christian Nation,” you must use the 5 C’s — change over time being the first — you can’t make a declaration that evangelicals are becoming more and more immoral based on one situation. It doesn’t even make logical sense to talk about change with only one event. If you look at the quote above in comparison with your argument (that I was still unable to prove), it seems that evangelicals, if anything, are becoming more moral than they were before. History can be seen in many different perspectives.

    As for your comment on my age, do you know how old I am? I’m 17 years old, and yes I can hold an argument with you (I’m guessing you’re about 60). Your implication that I don’t know what I’m talking about because I am younger than you is one of the biggest problems in society and you’re only pushing it forward. Thanks. When people do that, they have the idea that our opinions don’t matter—which doesn’t make any sense. Do you want to lose the opinions of a whole group of society and tune out a whole new, fresh perspective simply because you want to be right, as someone with more years? If the world worked that way in the absolute, nothing would ever get done and all of society would be a hierarchy of age. So I’m asking you—please don’t insult my intellect based on the number of years I have spent here.


  4. Just wars are not fought because people are your enemy. You’re right about that, but again, you are misreading the argument here. The Iraq War was fought because Iraq was posing as a threat to America and many others with the weapons of mass destruction that it had.

    The Iraq War was fought to protect the freedom and life of so many people that Iraq had the potential of destroying, so I don’t see how you possibly could have been against it. Christianity teaches people to value life, in case you didn’t know.


  5. Oh, and wars might be a necessity, but if you believe that why would you call yourself a follower of a guy who said to love your enemies and to turn the other cheek? Because Christian religion has little to do with the actual teachings of the guy it is named after.


  6. Not sure I understand your point. Whatever email server Hilary Clinton used, it is not a moral issue. And the fact is that neither you nor any other Republican voter cares one whit about email servers (there is no outrage over the Trump family’s use of personal email, or Colin Powell’s). It is an example of outrage needing a pretense, and since Hilary didn’t do anything like sexual assault or collaborate with an enemy, email served as a pretense.

    The fact that evangelicals think that immoral charlatans like Moore and Trump are a conduit to strengthening evangelical America (whatever that means) is exactly my point. The Bible talks about the fruit of the spirit — you don’t create good out of evil. Love, joy, peace, etc., are what emanates out of a good person, yet evangelicals think what is good is being able to check certain boxes of belief and raw power.

    That is evil. In my opinion, as someone who grew up in the evangelical world and graduated from Messiah in the early 1980s, being evangelical makes people worse human beings. I say that as someone comparing the behavior of church people I have interacted with in my life versus the people I know from church and other activities.

    And I say that in a research sense. You might be too young to remember, but during the second Bush presidency, polls showed that evangelicals were the demographic group most likely to support the use of torture. Look it up.


  7. I believe you are misreading the situation here, Paul. I think almost no one would agree with what you are implying—that the morality of a person does not matter if they support the Bible. These such evangelicals who voted for Moore wanted evangelical America to be strengthened, though they knew of Moore’s tainted morality, they favored him to support Christianity over someone who would not.

    A strong comparison to this situation, to help you understand this, would be the connection to how many people voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders in the 2016 presidential elections. At this point, the email situation had been proven true by the FBI, and Hillary had been charged, yet, many Democrats still voted for her, though she had obviously tainted morality, which can be seen in her lies under oath on multiple occasions. All people tend to vote for the people that will best be able to win for their party or their beliefs, not always on one accusation—even if it has been verified (in Clinton’s case).

    As for your comment about the Iraq War, since when are wars automatically immoral? I have not heard of this. Wars are seen by many as necessary in order to create peace for the future and especially in defense of other lives.

    In the articles that I have read, I have also not come across one that has referenced their support of torture used in the war. Could you share your sources with me so that I may be enlightened?


  8. Isn’t that strong evidence that being a Christian makes you a worse human being?

    I mean, the more evangelical you are, the more you say the Bible is infallible, the more likely you are to support hateful figures who overtly support racism and violence, and have a total lack of empathy for the less fortunate and minorities.

    This is not new. Evangelicals were the group most likely to support the Iraq war and the use of torture, which are hard to square with the teachings of the man the religion is named after. If I wasn’t lazy, I would go back further in time as well.


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