James Dobson on Trump: “I Know the Person Who Led Him to Christ”

Dobson and Trump

Apparently Donald Trump has had a conversion experience and is now a born-again Christian.

Following Trump’s meeting on Tuesday with evangelical leaders, York, Pennsylvania megachurch pastor Michael Anthony interviewed Christian psychologist, culture-warrior and radio-show host James Dobson about Trump.

Listen to the short interview here. (It is the one titled “Did Trump accept Christ?”).

Here is a transcript of the pertinent part of the interview:

DobsonThere are a lot of people ministering to him (Trump) personally…He did accept a relationship with Christ. I know the person who led him to Christ. And that’s fairly recent.

Anthony: No kidding. How recent?

Dobson: I don’t know when it was, but it has not been long.

AnthonyWow.

Dobson: I believe he really made a commitment, but he’s a baby Christian.

This is the first I have heard about a Trump conversion.  Michael Anthony, who, of course, was also at the meeting on Tuesday, runs an organization called Godfactor.  He is the pastor of Grace Fellowship Church in York, Pennsylvania.  From what I understand, Grace Fellowship is a pretty mainstream evangelical church.

I am less interested in the validity of Trump’s conversion (I will let the pastors and theologians sort that out) than I am in Dobson’s statement.  (I will assume that the person on the recording was James Dobson.  I have listened to him on the radio enough to recognize his voice.  I also trust Anthony’s integrity).

Dobson and the others in attendance at this meeting seem to be making every effort to make Trump palatable for evangelical voters, even to the point of claiming that he had a born-again experience.  (An evangelical friend of mine, upon hearing this news, said that he hopes Trump’s conversion came after he said he has never asked for forgiveness).

Dobson’s approach comes from the old Christian Right playbook. It is an approach that assumes that the United States was once a “Christian nation” (although that phrase now seems to be replaced with the mantra of “religious liberty”) and the only way to save it from falling into the abyss is to cozy up to national politicians

Such an approach is problematic for two reasons.  First, it sacrifices the prophetic ministry of the church on the altar or politics and power.  This, it seems to me, is idolatry.  Instead of calling out Trump for a whole host of anti-Christian remarks and his “eye for an eye” approach to politics (I will not go into that laundry list right now–you can all rattle off the examples), these Christian leaders are making excuses for his behavior.  In the process, they fail to perform the kind of divinely-ordained work they are called to do.

What happened on Tuesday in New York was the theo-political equivalent of money laundering.  Dobson and his gang are making Trump clean so that he is worthy of evangelical votes.

Second, as James Davison Hunter has shown us, such an approach is not a very effective way of changing a culture.  (Perhaps I will develop these thoughts in a later post).

Dobson is not the only one who has fallen under Trump’s spell.  Head back over to Anthony’s website and listen to the American Family Radio interview.

On Wednesday, long-time Christian Right politico Ralph Reed defended, and even praised Trump on National Public Radio.  He supports Trump because the GOP nominee is pro-life, a good businessman, and seems to have been a good father.  Again, I don’t understand how a Christian like Reed with a public platform can ignore Trump’s temperament, personal style, views on immigrants and religious liberty, misogyny,  narcissism, vulgarity, anger, “eye for an eye” view of the world, etc.   It is sad to see Reed making excuses for Trump’s behavior.  How far has the moral bar been lowered by these so-called “evangelical leaders?”

Michael Anthony claimed that he felt God was speaking through Donald Trump during Tuesday’s meeting.

And then there was Wednesday’s “Image of the Day” at The Way of Improvement Leads Home.

I think my fellow evangelicals are being played.

9 thoughts on “James Dobson on Trump: “I Know the Person Who Led Him to Christ”

  1. We all need to remember that God does not call the qualified but rather He qualifies the called. Our actions are always ultimately used for the glory of God and the furtherance of His kingdom. Cruz was not God’s choice this time. God obviously has plans for Trump. What God wants us to do is PRAY for this man (Trump)…with sincerity and love.
    The following is copied from
    http://www.examiner.com/article/poor-decisions-made-by-biblical-characters.

    Please let it be a reminder that there is no perfect man among you.

    Abraham was married to his half-sister, not an uncommon thing in that age, and in fact it was encouraged to take a wife from their own people, usually more like cousins. But as Abraham and his family was traveling to the land of Canaan, by the direction of God, he entered several different nations ruled by kings. On two occasions, Abraham lied to the kings by telling them she was his sister and not mentioning that she was his wife. (Genesis 12 and Genesis 20) The Bible tells us that she was a fair woman and Abraham feared that they would kill him to take her for their own. Except for the intervention of God, each of those situations would have proven disastrous.

    All know of David’s unwise decisions of taking another man’s wife and when it was shown that she was expecting a child by David, he had her husband led into battle and withdrawn from resulting in his death. Even though God knew that David was normally a strong and faithful servant of His, it did not hinder His punishing of David. (2 Samuel 12)

    Noah, a man who found favor in the sight of God, followed His instructions to the utmost degree and saved his family from the universal flood. The Bible has only praise for Noah and his obedience to God however, after the flood, he planted a vineyard and became so drunken on the wine from it, he was completely passed out. His son, Ham who was the father of Canaan, saw his father naked inside his tent. The episode is lengthy but it infuriated Noah so much that he swore a curse upon Canaan, Ham’s son. Read the story in Genesis 9.

    The list of others is extensive and we will only cover a few of the lesser known characters who made unwise decisions.

    The first king of Israel, Saul, was appointed at the direction of God. He began as a good king and a capable one, however, he allowed his position to fill him pride and began to make some poor decisions. Witches of that time were evil in that they professed to be able to work magic and they called upon false gods, and glorified them. Such witches were to be put to death. But Saul made a deal with the witch of Endor, that he would assure her she would not be put to death if she would bring forth dead Samuel to whom he wished to speak.

    Another time he had been instructed to destroy the entire Amalekites’ kingdom, even to all their livestock. But they brought back some of the best cattle and sheep, plus the king, Agag. For these decisions opposing God’s wishes, he not only lost his kingdom, but his life.

    So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.(1 Chronicles 10:13-14 KJV)

    In the New Testament, Saul of Tarsus, Later called Paul, thought that he was doing good towards God by persecuting the early church of Christ which was established on the first Pentecost after Jesus’ crucifixion. He was securing papers to place them in prison and also in some cases was consenting for some to be put to death. A very poor decision and after an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, he was blinded for a short time. Due to his sincerity and zeal, and after his conversion, Jesus chose him to become an apostle out of season. Here is what he said later on.

    I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. (Acts 26:9 KJV)

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  2. In a Cal Thomas interview of Trump from two weeks ago:

    CT: You have said you never felt the need to ask for God’s forgiveness, and yet repentance for one’s sins is a precondition to salvation. I ask you the question Jesus asked of Peter: Who do you say He is?
    DT: I will be asking for forgiveness, but hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness.
    [“will be”… does he mean at the final judgment?]

    CT: Who do you say Jesus is?
    DT: Jesus to me is somebody I can think about for security and confidence. Somebody I can revere in terms of bravery and in terms of courage and, because I consider the Christian religion so important, somebody I can totally rely on in my own mind.

    If this is an evangelical or “born again” description of Jesus or repentance, then I have no idea what “born again” means.

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  3. Sadly I don’t think anyone is playing anyone. I think Trump knows it’s phony, Dobson knows it’s phony, and every single evangelical leader in that room knows it’s phony. They don’t care about his faith — they want access to power. I think fewer and fewer evangelicals in the pews care either. Some still do — and they won’t vote for Trump — but we’ll see in November how many. My guess is that evangelical numbers for Trump will equal those for Bush in 2004, if not surpass them.

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  4. “An evangelical friend of mine, upon hearing this news, said that he hopes Trump’s conversion came after he said he has never asked for forgiveness.”

    I said something very similar to an acquaintance of mine as we discussed voting one’s conscience. he is certain that Trump is sincere; I, less so.

    Personally, I think Trump is playing everyone.

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  5. Apparently Donald Trump has had a conversation experience and is now a born-again Christian.

    Oh Lord, I sure hope not.

    My qualified support is based solely on Trump believing nothing very strongly and that he’ll behave like a nice Bush41ish nominal conservative, which I vastly prefer to toe-tag liberal.

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    • Keep believing it..a loose canon narcissist grifter with a think skin who is unable to think clearly beyond what his needs are will never be able to lead the nation except into greater debt and more foreign wars….George Will got it right, it sure isn’t the Republican Party anymore..Better HRC than this slob of a disaster,

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